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Send message Joined: 13 Apr 17 Posts: 256 Credit: 604,411,638 RAC: 0 |
I have over 15000 work units waiting for validation. Just dumping them and not rewarding credits will make me rethink supporting this project. +1 |
Send message Joined: 13 Apr 17 Posts: 256 Credit: 604,411,638 RAC: 0 |
I have over 15000 work units waiting for validation. Just dumping them and not rewarding credits will make me rethink supporting this project. remember: we are volunteers -- that includes all (expectable) problems. this is also true for other projects or life experiences. That is part of science -- no one is free of failures. Have a case of beer on me! |
Send message Joined: 13 Apr 17 Posts: 256 Credit: 604,411,638 RAC: 0 |
Tom, if it is possible, I would love to get credits for the 9,429 work units that I have in Validation Pending. It might take extra time on your part, but I, and a whole lot of other people would sure appreciate it. Please read the posts in this thread ... |
Send message Joined: 13 Apr 17 Posts: 256 Credit: 604,411,638 RAC: 0 |
If I understand you post correctly you plan to purge all tasks awaiting validation and not award any points, even those turned in before the shutdown. Correct me if I'm misunderstanding, but if so that is completely unacceptable. The vast majority if not all of my pending tasks were completed before the shutdown, so your statement about the pending task being completed after shutdown doesn't seem accurate. I'm sure a lot of others with a significant amount of hardware pointed at this project are in a similar boat. I have over 19k validation pending or inconclusive tasks. I completed the work, so you need to award points, that's the deal between us. If you screwed up the validation process that's on you and not the users. If milkyway can't abide by that and make things right, then they shouldn't have access to Boinc and it's users.. The level of desrespect from admins of multiple boinc projects shown to contributers is really annoying, but screwing over users on points at this scale is a new one for me. The short notice and haphazard shutdown are ridiculous. Make it right or only do computation on your own hardware at this point. You just need to award points to every submitted task at this point, that saves you from actually validating the task and doesn't screw over the users. I will not contribute and will discourage others to contribute to this proejct unless thsi is fixed properly, and I've screenshotted my tasks so I have a good idea on what points I should receive. Oh my goodness ... |
Send message Joined: 13 Apr 17 Posts: 256 Credit: 604,411,638 RAC: 0 |
Hey Everyone, THANKS for also stating UTC time. AND I mean it !! |
Send message Joined: 10 Apr 19 Posts: 408 Credit: 120,203,200 RAC: 0 |
In order to give out credit, I will need to rewrite and recompile the validator code. I will take a look at that and see if there is a reasonable way to validate all WUs that are currently in the queue using the validator in a way that will give people credit. If there is not a reasonable way to do that, then unfortunately there is no way to give credit for most of these jobs without also running the WU generator, which will send out more jobs, which defeats the point of shutting down the project. I apologize that many of you feel used because you may not get credit for the work that you've done. I understand that shutting down the WU generator and letting the validator run would have been a somewhat smoother transition, but that would have still left many unvalidated jobs because they could not have had their wingman jobs completed. In the end we opted for fewer wasted cycles on the hardware you're kindly volunteering time on; however, I've heard your complaints and I'll see if there's something I can do about it. |
Send message Joined: 15 Jan 10 Posts: 10 Credit: 600,959,258 RAC: 39 |
I have over 15000 work units waiting for validation. Just dumping them and not rewarding credits will make me rethink supporting this project. How? I power through work units and it builds up. It's been like this for years. |
Send message Joined: 15 Jan 10 Posts: 10 Credit: 600,959,258 RAC: 39 |
I have over 15000 work units waiting for validation. Just dumping them and not rewarding credits will make me rethink supporting this project. There's a difference between having a problem with the project and outright disregard for its users. And no, it is not a part of science, it is disrespect. |
Send message Joined: 15 Jan 10 Posts: 10 Credit: 600,959,258 RAC: 39 |
In order to give out credit, I will need to rewrite and recompile the validator code. I will take a look at that and see if there is a reasonable way to validate all WUs that are currently in the queue using the validator in a way that will give people credit. Just a thought, is it possible to award credits based on the users average credit per work unit they received for previous work? Or if it is the same for all users, award a flat credit to every work unit for everyone? |
Send message Joined: 10 Apr 19 Posts: 408 Credit: 120,203,200 RAC: 0 |
Heads up, it might take some extra time for me to figure out this validator redesign, so the server could be down for a little longer today. I wasn't able to work on this earlier today. |
Send message Joined: 10 Apr 19 Posts: 408 Credit: 120,203,200 RAC: 0 |
Also I saw some people talking about notices so I set this thread to not export. Are you all seeing every reply as a notice in the boinc manager? Or just the original post? I'm confused about the concern that we apparently send too many notices. |
Send message Joined: 10 Apr 19 Posts: 408 Credit: 120,203,200 RAC: 0 |
Just a thought, is it possible to award credits based on the users average credit per work unit they received for previous work? Or if it is the same for all users, award a flat credit to every work unit for everyone? It is very difficult to manually assign credit in BOINCs framework. I am not comfortable manually editing the DB for credit because I don't know where the different BOINC systems pull their information from regarding RAC, gridcoin, etc. and there is no good way to be sure that those systema all update correctly. |
Send message Joined: 15 Jan 10 Posts: 10 Credit: 600,959,258 RAC: 39 |
Also I saw some people talking about notices so I set this thread to not export. Are you all seeing every reply as a notice in the boinc manager? Or just the original post? I'm confused about the concern that we apparently send too many notices. Original post only. |
Send message Joined: 15 Jan 10 Posts: 10 Credit: 600,959,258 RAC: 39 |
Just a thought, is it possible to award credits based on the users average credit per work unit they received for previous work? Or if it is the same for all users, award a flat credit to every work unit for everyone? Understood. |
Send message Joined: 10 Apr 19 Posts: 408 Credit: 120,203,200 RAC: 0 |
I've brought a modified version of the separation validator and assimilator online. These should go through all the existing separation WUs waiting for validation and mark them as valid but ignored (because they aren't actually checked, so they won't go into any system), but it should give out credit as due. I think any wingman tasks should be validated as per normal. I'm going to monitor this and see if it actually starts making a dent in the number of tasks waiting for validation. Hopefully we should see a decrease soon. |
Send message Joined: 10 Apr 19 Posts: 408 Credit: 120,203,200 RAC: 0 |
Original post only. Thanks! I guess people just don't like getting pinged. |
Send message Joined: 15 Jan 10 Posts: 10 Credit: 600,959,258 RAC: 39 |
I've brought a modified version of the separation validator and assimilator online. These should go through all the existing separation WUs waiting for validation and mark them as valid but ignored (because they aren't actually checked, so they won't go into any system), but it should give out credit as due. I think any wingman tasks should be validated as per normal. It's going down but they end up invalid with validate error. |
Send message Joined: 30 Dec 09 Posts: 21 Credit: 75,543,393 RAC: 0 |
That isn't working: The pending tasks indeed disappear but are marked as invalid without credit being awarded. |
Send message Joined: 10 Apr 19 Posts: 408 Credit: 120,203,200 RAC: 0 |
Noted. I've turned things off again and am working on a fix. |
Send message Joined: 10 Apr 19 Posts: 408 Credit: 120,203,200 RAC: 0 |
Okay, I've brought things back up with new settings for the validator. Let me know if you see things getting validated with credit now. |
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